Mapping battle site Canakkale (Gallipoli), Turkey

[Warin]

Hi,

With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping the
present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some cases
adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at Canakkale
(Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly British,
about 4), one road was GPS sourced, other roads looked to be bing
tracings. I've tried to get them all (OZ, NZ and Turkish mainly), there
maybe a few left (at least 2 I think) but I've not found them with bing.

The Question?
Should I now map the named ridges, gullies etc that were used by 'us'
(and/or named by 'us') in the action? These would be historic 'English'
names e.g. 'second ridge', 'valley of despair', 'cooee gully'. My source
for this is copyright .. so I'll need permission from them (or another
source). But before I ask for that I'd like an indication that the
mapped features would not offend you.

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Apologies for the english language, if someone could translate it in to
Turkish it would be aprecialted.

Happy New Year

Warin.

[Warin]

HI,

I've found some Turkish maps of the Canakkale area - copyrite expired
so they should be useable to OSM. They are old .. say 1916? But should
give information on the historical battlefield. Some of these are Turkish!
http://www.awm.gov.au/search-awm/collections/?q=G7432.G1+S65&conflict=all&submit=Search


Unfortunatly they are presented at 72dpi .. making the finer details
unreadable.

I've placed a few deatils from one of them .. yet to do more.

Did a little housekeeping in the area - road ending near roads but not
joined - joined where bing indicates, ways crossing ways - added nodes
to make routing possible etc.


On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Warin <61sundowner-***@public.gmane.org
<mailto:61sundowner-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:

Hi,

With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping
the present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some
cases adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at
Canakkale (Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly
British, about 4), one road was GPS sourced, other roads looked to
be bing tracings. I've tried to get them all (OZ, NZ and Turkish
mainly), there maybe a few left (at least 2 I think) but I've not
found them with bing.

The Question?
Should I now map the named ridges, gullies etc that were used by
'us' (and/or named by 'us') in the action? These would be historic
'English' names e.g. 'second ridge', 'valley of despair', 'cooee
gully'. My source for this is copyright .. so I'll need permission
from them (or another source). But before I ask for that I'd like an
indication that the mapped features would not offend you.

------------------------
Apologies for the english language, if someone could translate it in
to Turkish it would be aprecialted.

Happy New Year

Warin.



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[Roman Neumüller]

it should be ok using english names
you could also use name:en tag...

Roman

Post by Warin
HI,
I've found some Turkish maps of the Canakkale area - copyrite expired
so they should be useable to OSM. They are old .. say 1916? But should
give information on the historical battlefield. Some of these are Turkish!
http://www.awm.gov.au/search-awm/collections/?q=G7432.G1+S65&conflict=all&submit=Search
Unfortunatly they are presented at 72dpi .. making the finer details
unreadable.
I've placed a few deatils from one of them .. yet to do more.
Did a little housekeeping in the area - road ending near roads but not
joined - joined where bing indicates, ways crossing ways - added nodes
to make routing possible etc.
Hi,
With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping
the present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some
cases adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at
Canakkale (Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly
British, about 4), one road was GPS sourced, other roads looked to
be bing tracings. I've tried to get them all (OZ, NZ and Turkish
mainly), there maybe a few left (at least 2 I think) but I've not
found them with bing.
The Question?
Should I now map the named ridges, gullies etc that were used by
'us' (and/or named by 'us') in the action? These would be historic
'English' names e.g. 'second ridge', 'valley of despair', 'cooee
gully'. My source for this is copyright .. so I'll need permission
from them (or another source). But before I ask for that I'd like an
indication that the mapped features would not offend you.
------------------------
Apologies for the english language, if someone could translate it in
to Turkish it would be aprecialted.
Happy New Year
Warin.
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[Hakan Tandoğan]

Hi,

Post by Warin
Hi,
With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping the
present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some cases
adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at Canakkale
(Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly British,

The bounding box is not perfect, but I configured a map over at
maposmatic:

http://www.maposmatic.org/maps/107364

As soon as I have a better bounding box, I would configure multiple map
configurations for the different languages (TR, EN, ??).

Regards,
Hakan

[Warin]

Post by Hakan Tandoğan
Hi,

Post by Warin
Hi,
With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping the
present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some cases
adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at Canakkale
(Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly British,

The bounding box is not perfect, but I configured a map over at
http://www.maposmatic.org/maps/107364
As soon as I have a better bounding box, I would configure multiple
map configurations for the different languages (TR, EN, ??).
Regards,
Hakan

Hi and Ok good thought,

There is not much in Turkish up at the moment... I'm waiting on the
Aust. War Memorial permission that could take some time. Feel free to
add things including Turkish names.

Bounding box might be better at 40.218,26.275 to 40.260, 26.322? That
covers most things, there are a few outliers that follow the same methods.

I've removed 2 Piers that don't exist any more, following comments by
others and further thinking about it. The contentious things in my mind
are the named valleys, ridges and streams... I'd think that these may
well not have had names before the conflict? A 'Valley' might be so
small that normally it would have no significance, but when you want to
shelter from gun fire even a slight depression becomes a valley. And
following the normal erosion valleys, ridges etc may well have further
reduced in landscape significance. So why map them? Well my thinking is
that is what people want to see (apart from the memorials) as they have
read about them in books, seen them in films.

I'm mixed about mapping trenches. I've included the 'chequerboard' (a
large installation of criss crossed Turkish trenches) as an example, I
don't think there is much left of them?And the little that is left ..
well it should be preserved and directing large numbers of visitors
there might degrade what is left.

[Warin]

Post by Hakan Tandoğan
Hi,

Post by Warin
Hi,
With the forthcoming services at I've taken the trouble of mapping the
present memorials (and their associated roads, paths .. in some cases
adjacent paths so people don't take the wrong ones) at Canakkale
(Gallipoli), Turkey. A few were maped in the south (mainly British,

The bounding box is not perfect, but I configured a map over at
http://www.maposmatic.org/maps/107364
As soon as I have a better bounding box, I would configure multiple
map configurations for the different languages (TR, EN, ??).
Regards,
Hakan

Better box - sample. 360kb.

http://www.maposmatic.org/results//107791_2014-01-11_23-56_Gal1.pdf

The NZ book has added a few Turkish names, but a long way from what I'd
hoped for. I'll look at the copyright info from 'Gallipoli Mission' to
see how much that would help, if it dose not help much then time to look
elsewhere?

I think I've got most of the features up, there are some duplicates - in
different locations! The maps are not consistent so, for example, 'Pine
Ridge' is plotted in two places. I'll look at that with text
descriptions and the OSM topographic information to see if I can get a
resolution of the problem.

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Sorry about my last post. Bit confused in part - too many things at once!